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• Ilan // Jan 8, 2009 at 12:07 pm

  Very interesting! Thank your for sharing this information.

  Is this passage still exist in the “modern” Koran?

• 1 Wingless // Jan 8, 2009 at 6:55 pm

  I’m not sure what you mean by the “modern” Koran / Quran. It does exist within the Koran used today (and for hundreds of years). Through the various English translations, you might find slightly different wording but the message remains the same.

  Some Translations even have sub-headings, whereas Sura 5:21,5:22,5:23 are called “God Gives the Holy Land to Israel”, here it is at a Mosque website (they the Koran in various languages available free online) –
  http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/noframes/ch5.html

  I recommend the book to anyone for it’ll open your eyes to alot of the misinformation that is out there. For example the oft quoted “kill 1 man, kill the whole world” does not exist in the Koran, there is a variation of this but it’s meaning is very different from the soundbytes you’ll get from the Politically Correct crowd.

  See: http://wingless.aoriginality.com/?p=16

• 2 sam // Jan 11, 2009 at 8:44 pm

  noo the jews to live there with moses but at that time but now russians europeans and every1 else dat went there after the ww2 went there and now saying they have a right of land ..no they dont they come from eurpoe and can go back and leave palestine that was centuries ago when people started living not alot of people live ther at that time all the count ries were hours to ge 2 they were close people would walk there.. dont write stuff u dont know about god..and it its sed if they create mischief then the orignal jews are the losers look wat they have done 2 palestine so let dat bullshit wat ure saying out coz its crap

• 3 Wingless // Jan 13, 2009 at 2:06 am

  Thank-you Sam for that thoroughly coherent coverage of the topic. LOL…

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  SAM SAID:
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  noo the jews to live there with moses but at that time but now russians europeans and every1 else dat went there after the ww2 went there and now saying they have a right of land
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  And who are these Russians and Europeans genius? Did the just magically appear in Russia? You are talking about the same Jews of Moses – blood relatives!

  Every Empire that inhabited Israel throughout time spoke of the Jewish homeland, of a Jewish land, Jewish majority, architecture, culture, currency etc.. Were they ALL lying?

  Most of these empires also persecuted and exiled these Jews, hence the Jewish communities in both Arab (Sephardic) & European (Ashkenazi) areas. These are but exiles and the descendants of exiles.

  Zionism did not start at the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the exiles and their descendants have been uttering the mantra “next year in Jerusalem” for centuries! Zionism is nothing more than the Jewish Right of Return.

  Remember, Judaism is VERY VERY VERY different from Christianity and Islam in a very important factor: JUDAISM HAS NEVER BEEN INCLUSIVE OR ENCOURAGING OF CONVERTS! As unpopular as it sounds (because some famous racists uttered it): JUDAISM IS MORE THAN A RELIGION – IT IS A CULTURE and LARGELY A BLOODLINE!

  Jews never sent missionairies to ‘civilize’ the native, Jews never carried out Crusades, Jews did not force people to convert or die at the end of a sword (ala Muhammed), and Jews never gave an incentive for conversion to their religion (ala converting to Islam, which would allow you to bare arms and exempt you from Jizya, which only non-Muslims pay)

  This is why Judaism is such a TINY TINY TINY religion. As Islam and Christianity grow it is only Judaism that shrinks! Did you know that JUDAISM DOES NOT EVEN RANK IN THE TOP #10 OF WORLD RELIGIONS BY POPULATION?!

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  SAM SAID
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  dont write stuff u dont know about god..
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  You got me there… How does one reply to such a well formed argument…

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  SAM SAID
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  and it its sed if they create mischief then the orignal jews are the losers look wat they have done 2 palestine so let dat bullshit wat ure saying out coz its crap
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  I don’t know what you mean by ‘original Jews’ – I also don’t know what you mean by ‘done 2 palestine’… Jews inhabit less than 25% of “Palestine”, the rest is ruled by Arabs – the 25% that is ruled by Jews is the freest, healthiest, wealthiest, most productive, most educated, most pluralistic, only democratic speck in the entire Middle East.

  It is the only place where an Arab can be openly gay, where an Arab can vote, where an Arab can sit on a trully independent Supreme Court, where an Arab can run and win seats in Parliament. If there is a tragedy in the Middle East today it’s that in order for an Arab to be free, he needs to be a citizen of the Jewish State!

• 4 Ahmed // Jan 16, 2009 at 6:38 pm

  My name is Ahmed , and i’m a muslim person , no matters what my countrey is , that’s because we are all humans on this earth, we dont own earth because we are not the creators of it.

  first i’d like to tell you somthing , that in Islam , Allah “our God” told in quran and to all muslims and to muahammed the prophet , That no muslim will never ever enter his heaven untill he/she be sure and believes 100% that “Judaism and christianity” are relegions comes from allah and we have to respect them and believe in them..

  2nd: you only mentioned in quran 5:20 – 5:22… which says that allah ordered ,moses and jews to enter the holyland , that’s true…. but you should mention from 5:19 till 5:30 when they refused to obey allah orders….. i will not explain to you because you might think im a liar or somthing … but go find a well trusted quran translator and see…… and i wish if you would read the quran all not only 10 or 20 ayas from it =))

  you know, islam is not what you guys think and you said many things about our prophet muhammed without knowing anything about him or islam ,,,, go read what islam is and how muhammed was a well respector and respected person and read about his life…

  we dont hate real jews , but wat your leaders do is not related to Judaism. as you guys think that Islam is terriorest relegion and so on ,,, but be sure that terriorests are every where with many nationalities and diffrent relegions… and BE SURE that terriorests persons which call they muslims , they might be muslims but truley they dont relate to Islam by anything . who knows!!
  But plz also be sure that ISLAM IS A PEACFUL RELEGION.. go and read and see how islamic leaders in old wars was doing …. and about plastine go and read and search and see How “SALAH EL DEEN ” the islamic leader treated christians and jews in plastine and how he defend this land from the real invators , and how he medicate his enemies .. that’s the Islamic behaviour …. ISLAM IS A PEACEFULL RELEGION….

  may you close this page and go , but i need you to know more and more and more about our prophet and how islam goes to all middle east by good leaders… we never killed any1 to enter Islam , muslims were publishing islam to other countries with peace without killing … but allah never told us to publish islam by killing and by blood an so on … you may not believe me ,,, but i need you to read and search and see more and more about islam and muhammed…. =))

  btw , what happening in ghaza is a bloody shit… go you tube and see how ghaza streets looks like ,,, HOW BABIES AND CHILDREN ARE DEAD IN THE STREETS , HOW BABIES,CHILDREN WOMEN IN HOSPITALS OF “RAFA7″ THE NEAREST EGYPTIAN CITY TO GHAZA .

  go youtube and see how your plans targeting mosques , schools and buildings… watch how ghaza looks like now …. nothing is there , see how dogs are eating the dead bodies in streets ,,,

  search for childrens who lost all thier families and have nothing to do but sleeping in streets with thier injury lossing organs … see how ambulance cars were destroyed … man i swear you would cry to hell … i know that hamas shoot you first, but remember how and what you were doing over the past 50 yrs with plastinians people in thier own countrey…

  hope you got that =))

• 5 Wingless // Jan 17, 2009 at 5:31 am

  Hi Ahmed, first and foremost thank-you for commenting and at least trying to support your arguments. It at least makes for a

  more interesting and stimulating debate… That said – on to your ‘points’.

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  Ahmed said
  that in Islam , Allah “our God” told in quran and to all muslims and to muahammed the prophet , That no muslim will never

  ever enter his heaven untill he/she be sure and believes 100% that “Judaism and christianity” are relegions comes from allah

  and we have to respect them and believe in them..
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  Wingless replies:
  Yes, it says that Judaism and Christianty are ‘of the book’ and thus guided by the same G*d but your claims that the Quran

  instructs to ‘respect’ [non Muslims] is curious – to say the least. Let’s ignore hundreds of years of history & the reality

  of what Islamic nations do to non-Muslims and concentrate JUST on the Koran. The Koran makes it clear that non-Muslims are

  lesser, it mandates invasion & plundering of Dar Al Harab, prescribes a form of persecution & subjecation (Jizya / Dhimmi)

  and several times refers to non-Muslims as untrustworthy, unworthy, lesser people!

  “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His

  Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until

  they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.” [Another translation says:] “pay

  the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”
  9:29

  “Believers, take not for friends those who take your religion for a mockery or sport, a joke, whether among those who

  received the Scripture before you or among those who reject Faith; but fear Allah.”
  5:57

  “You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.”
  5:82

  “The semblance of the infidels is one who shouts to one who cannot hear. They are deaf, dumb, and blind. They make no sense.”
  2:71

  I can go on and on and on and on…

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  Ahmed said
  nd: you only mentioned in quran 5:20 – 5:22… which says that allah ordered ,moses and jews to enter the holyland , that’s

  true…. but you should mention from 5:19 till 5:30 when they refused to obey allah orders….. i will not explain to you because

  you might think im a liar or somthing … but go find a well trusted quran translator and see…… and i wish if you would read

  the quran all not only 10 or 20 ayas from it =))
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  Wingless replies:

  First of all, spare me the juvenille dribble – I have read the entire Koran several times. To state that you ‘will not

  explain’ because ‘I might think you are a liar’ is a waste of bandwidth and space… Debate, support your arguments.

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  Ahmed said
  you know, islam is not what you guys think and you said many things about our prophet muhammed without knowing anything

  about him or islam ,,,, go read what islam is and how muhammed was a well respector and respected person and read about his

  life…
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  Wingless:
  Ahmed says “Islam is not what you guys think” so hey, it MUST BE TRUE!
  I have read & discussed Muhammeds life extensively, including Hadiths and the works of both Western & Eastern scholars.

  Muhammed may have been respected by SOME but I cannot fathom how anyone would want to emulate his life – he was no angel!

  Muhammed married a six year old, even if he consumated the relationship when Aisha was 9, it is still a disgusting event.

  Before you go into the rant on how “morality has changed” realize you are talking about a supposed prophet, his actions

  should stand the test of time. We have a word for men who engage in sex with pre-teens: pedophile.

  Muhammed also stole the wife of his own son, not to mention the fact that he double-crossed the Jews at Khybar. He was a

  shameless warlord who ruled by the sword. Those are the facts, how do you reconcile with that?

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  Ahmed said
  we dont hate real jews , but wat your leaders do is not related to Judaism. as you guys think that Islam is terriorest

  relegion and so on ,,, but be sure that terriorests are every where with many nationalities and diffrent relegions… and BE

  SURE that terriorests persons which call they muslims , they might be muslims but truley they dont relate to Islam by

  anything . who knows!!
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  Wingless replies:

  The problem Mr. Ahmed, is that YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE – who made the grand inquisitor on what it means to be a Jew? And

  what have “our leaders” done to you? Let’s look at the history, Muslim persecution of Jews and Christians started with

  Muhammed and goes on to this day. Christians in Egypt (Coptic), Iran, Gaza, Pakistan and other ‘Islamic nations’ are

  routinely persecuted, their businesses are razed and both society and government allow this. In Iran, Iraq, Yemen and Syria,

  a once vibrant Jewish community, Jewish communities that PREDATE MUHAMMED (they were there before his birth!) are in sharp

  decline.

  Why is it that in Israel, a man can openly practice Islam, Christianity, Buddism, Sikhism, or Judaism without fear of

  persecution and in Iran they can be killed for this? If these were isolated incidents, one could make the argument that the

  ‘Islam’ factor is but a correlation, a coincedence but we are talking of systemic, centuries old tradition of persecution,

  exile & murder!

  The Middle East was not always the homogenous Islamic firepot it is today. This was achieved by the sword, by persecuting and

  exiling non-Muslims while encouraging Islamic immigration. Many of the so-called “Palestinians” (they are just Arabs btw,

  there is nothing different between a Saudi, Syrian, Jordanian, Iraqi or Palestinian, all of these are new names, created

  after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in the late 1800s) are descendants of immigrants from the Balkans, encouraged to

  immigrate by the Islamic-supremisct Ottomans!

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  Ahmed said
  But plz also be sure that ISLAM IS A PEACFUL RELEGION..
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  Wingless:
  So how do you explain THE FACT that Islam is at the crux of just about every conflict being fought on this planet today!

  COINCEDENCE?!

  In Yemen, Muslims are killing Muslims. In the Phillipines, Islamic Abu Sayaf are destroying the tourist industry. In Darfur,

  you have Arab Muslims raping and killing Black Muslims. In Lebanon, Iran’s occupation force Hezbollah murders Christians as

  well as any Muslims they don’t deem to their liking. In Gaza, at least 80 of the recent fatalities were victims of Hamas

  Jihad against their own citizens! And have you been following the plight of the Christians of Gaza? How about the Christians

  of Bethlehem? They are so scared for their lives that National Geographic predicted Jesus’ birthplace will soon be without

  Christians!

  And I won’t even start on Pakistan (Christians, Hindus, women killed daily in name of Jihad and ‘purity’), Afghanistan, Syria

  and Iraq!

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  Ahmed said
  go and read and see how islamic leaders in old wars was doing …. and about plastine go and read and search and see How

  “SALAH EL DEEN ” the islamic leader treated christians and jews in plastine and how he defend this land from the real

  invators , and how he medicate his enemies .. that’s the Islamic behaviour …. ISLAM IS A PEACEFULL RELEGION….
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  You use SALAH DEEN as an example of ‘peacemaker’? He was a warlord first and foremost. Yes, some of the things he did were

  admirable for the time but that’s hardly a testament to Islam as a religion of peace.

  Instead of Salah deen, I’d rather go to the source, to the ultimate example, to the man that all Muslims are to emulate –

  Muhammed himself! Muslims consider Muhammed a prophet but can anyone argue that the man’s main activity war war-making?! I’ve

  always had an issue reconciling claims of a “peaceful religion” when the “archtype, the ideal, the ultimate example” is a

  ruthless warlord!

  Muhammed ethnically cleansed the three Jewish tribes at Medina because they refused to convert (& probably because he

  covetted their property)!

  Ibn Ishaq 903 tells us that at At Tabook (Tabuk sp?), Muhammed murdered local civilians to gain control. He then demanded

  ransom or tribute of the population. The hadith are chalk FULL of Muhammed’s misdeeds during war.

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  Ahmed said
  may you close this page and go , but i need you to know more and more and more about our prophet and how islam goes to all

  middle east by good leaders… we never killed any1 to enter Islam , muslims were publishing islam to other countries with

  peace without killing … but allah never told us to publish islam by killing and by blood an so on … you may not believe me

  ,,, but i need you to read and search and see more and more about islam and muhammed…. =))
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  Wingless replies
  Ahmed ARE YOU SURE YOU READ THE KORAN?! The Hadiths?! Anything??? Muhammed openly waged war, his ‘convert or die’ tactic

  was used against many Arab tribes! As for “all over the Middle East” – Islam was spread in the MidEast through persecution

  and violence! Of all your statements, this one is BY FAR the most ludicrous – no knowledgable Muslim or studier of the

  topic would dare make such a claim as Muhammed’s modus operandi was to spread Islam (& gain power and land for himself) at

  all costs!

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  Ahmed said
  
  btw , what happening in ghaza is a bloody shit… go you tube and see how ghaza streets looks like ,,, HOW BABIES AND CHILDREN

  ARE DEAD IN THE STREETS , HOW BABIES,CHILDREN WOMEN IN HOSPITALS OF “RAFA7″ THE NEAREST EGYPTIAN CITY TO GHAZA .
  
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  Israel left all of Gaza 3+ years ago. THERE ARE NO JEWS IN GAZA, EVEN THE GRAVES WERE MOVED. So Hamas really has no reason

  for grievance. What have they done then? They have launched 6,500 rockets at Israel.

  As for the fatalities, the death toll is high because Hamas hides behind the dresses of women and the toys of children. I

  have VIDEOS of rockets being SHOT OUT OF UN SCHOOLS by Hamas! I have seen kindergartens used as weapon stores. Lastly, Hamas

  LOVES to increase civilian casualties as they this as a victory (the victory of the Shahid). If 3rd world countries can erect

  bomb shelters (Israel had them 60 years ago), why is it that Gazans do not?

  Israel has sat still, doing nothing for 3 years – the result has been more and more rockets.
  Try to argue with this: If Hamas stops firing rockets and attempting suicide bombings, then the violence on both sides will

  end. If Israel stops retaliating or controlling Hamas, then the Israeli casualties will increase. THESE ARE THE FACTS OVER

  THE PAST FEW YEARS, YOU CAN’T ARGUE WITH REALITY!

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  Ahmed said
  
  go youtube and see how your plans targeting mosques , schools and buildings… watch how ghaza looks like now …. nothing is

  there , see how dogs are eating the dead bodies in streets ,,,
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  Mosques, schools and buildings are LEGAL, LEGITIMATE TARGETS WHEN THEY ARE USED TO FIRE FROM! You cannot use a mosque as a

  base of operations, then claim ‘foul’ when it’s bombed. Hamas is a well-funded, capable force that can fight like men on the

  frontier – instead they hide behind civilians.

  The Legal and Moral code is on Israel’s side – if a man takes human shields while actively threatening a population, then

  should that human shield die, it is the fault of the user of said shield (Hamas).

  Again: If Hamas did not fire from mosques, no mosques would be bombed… Think about it? WHAT REASON DOES ISRAEL HAVE TO JUST

  BOMB MOSQUES AND HOSPITALS? It serves no purpose at all. Everyone knows that Hamas doesn’t care about civilian casualties and

  everyone knows that Israel is reprimanded over every death so what purpose would it serve? Is it your contention that Israel

  just bombs these places for fun?!

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  Ahmed said
  
  search for childrens who lost all thier families and have nothing to do but sleeping in streets with thier injury lossing

  organs … see how ambulance cars were destroyed … man i swear you would cry to hell … i know that hamas shoot you first, but

  remember how and what you were doing over the past 50 yrs with plastinians people in thier own countrey…
  
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  It is very sad that your leaders and your skewed morality have kept you and your people down for centuries. You leaders

  persecute, kill and use you as human shields while they get fatter and fatter and all you can see are ‘evil Jinns’

  everywhere!

  As for “Palestinians in their own country” – I have said it many times – I hereby offer a $10,000 reward for anyone who can

  show that a country called Palestine has existed on Earth in the history of the world (it never did, the area was called

  Israel until Roman Emperor Hadrian renamed it Palastina after the Bar Kochba revolt; it was always a Jewish land as evidenced

  by the history of the many empires that conquered it (or were the Romans, Greeks, Byzantins, Assyrians, Ottomans ALL LYING?!)

  - “Palestine” was simple an area of land that was broken up into various na+tion states after the Ottoman Empire fell. Today

  Arabs control 77%-83%+ of Mandate Palestine – 70% = Jordan + 7% Gaza + areas in Judea under full PA control…

  BTW: I hope you will continue this debate but I do have one request – reply as I have, point by point. Show me what I said, then reply with something you say – that way we will have a back and forth dialogue rather than just a smattering of random facts. I have taken the time to analyze and respond to all of your points, I hope you have the courtesy to do the same.

  Wingless

• 6 Asherah // Jan 29, 2009 at 5:02 am

  When I was small my people told me the Jews are Beast in one of the congregation!We should fight them wherever they are!When I’m young I sought wisdom via philosophy than I used reasons above revealations!When I’m older I travelled and have friends from all over the world including the people my people called beast !!well I never heard from them calling Muslims bad but 99% of my Muslims people think that they are cursed people because the Koran says so!I felt in love with Jewish culture ,cuisine and spiritualism!Eureka!FLAMENCO unite them in Andalusia killing field!I can’t help but felt in love with the most beautiful people on earth.They aslk me to hate but instead I love them!!Kosher is delicious!!!!

• 7 Wingless // Jan 29, 2009 at 5:26 am

  Hi Asherah,

  Welcome! Where did you grow up? I am interested in hearing more.

• 8 kevin // Jul 19, 2009 at 2:14 pm

  I have a home on the east coast of the Mediterranean north of Israel. The area where my house is part of the land G_d gave to Israel according to the Bible. In 1982, A Russian Jew came to me, terrorized me, wants me to leave my home, my kitchen, bedroom, and living room so that he lives in my home. This time I did not flee as my father did flee from Saffouria near Tsafad in the north of Israel.

  This Russian Jew, no matter what book or what G_d he believes in, is evil. This is the story of Israel.

• 9 alhaji abudulai ibinu abass // Jul 23, 2009 at 4:18 pm

  Masalam Alekun Waramotoolai

  i will like yoy to pls send a Quran

• 10 kevin // Jul 23, 2009 at 5:24 pm

  • Shalom Wingless. Some statements you made earlier to Ahmed are in quotes, my comments follow.

  “It is very sad that your leaders and your skewed morality have kept you and your people down for centuries. “
  The present rulers are not our leaders. These are dictators supported by the CIA, the Mossad and American Aid. Mubarak, the Jordan King, the Tunisian ruler… Arafat (who rescued Arafat when his plane was lost in the Libyan desert?), Abbas…are all in power because of American aid that pays the secret service to put the democracy seekers in prisons. Those dictators are worse enemies to their people than Israel.

  “As for “Palestinians in their own country” – I have said it many times – I hereby offer a $10,000 reward for anyone who can show that a country called Palestine has existed on Earth in the history of the world (it never did, the area was called Israel until Roman Emperor Hadrian renamed it Palastina”

  It does not matter what you call a country. The issue is that a group of people came from hundreds and thousands of miles away, terrorized the inhabitants of the land (who lived in the land for generations), forced most of them to flee, took their homes and farms, suffocating the rest who stayed (in Judea and Samaria) so that they either die or leave…

• 11 Gajibur // Aug 19, 2009 at 6:00 pm

  Wingless, you claim to have read the Qur’an several times, and yet you do not know that the Qur’an also says that after Allah gave the jews Israel, the jews became disobedient to Allah. For this reason Allah kicked the jews out of israel and scattered the jews around the world. Even the orthodox jews believe they were kicked out of israel as a divine punishment from God. So the fact that you are trying to use this verse of the Quran against the “Islamists” just goes to show how ignorant you are. It also shows that you are probably a liar, since i find it hard to believe that you could have missed this simple fact after reading the Quran several times. Either you are a liar, or you are an incompetent idiot who after reading the Quran several times has failed to fully understand the quranic stance on the ‘jews and israel’.

• 12 Ottoman // Aug 21, 2009 at 5:47 am

  Wingless, is most certainly propagandist, whether he is deliberately telling untruth or not… God knows best. To put simply, if the Ottomans (Muslims) had not saved you when the spaniard Christians were trying to wipe you out to revenge their lord and saviour, your population would be far less. If the rulers of Jerusalem in history had treated you as Israel is treating the Palestinians your numbers again would be far less and the Muslims ruled the region for a thousand years, look at Israel’s hospitality and the sufferring they have caused in just 50 years.
  If a single child is killed, whether Muslim, Christian Jew or other for any cause, that cause is unwarranted and evil. A child to his or her parents is worth more than the universe itself. The true Jews have had their religion hijacked just as the fundamentalists have hijacked Islam. What a sad world it is we all live in.

• 13 wingless // Aug 24, 2009 at 2:53 am

  The present rulers are not our leaders. These are dictators supported by the CIA, the Mossad and American Aid. Mubarak, the Jordan King, the Tunisian ruler… Arafat (who rescued Arafat when his plane was lost in the Libyan desert?), Abbas…are all in power because of American aid that pays the secret service to put the democracy seekers in prisons. Those dictators are worse enemies to their people than Israel.
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  Yes they are. But spare me the conspiracy theories. The CIA, Mossad and the tooth fairy have NOTHING TO DO with keeping them in power.
  If the populace wants democracy or the populace wants alternate leadership then the populace must demand it, and if necessary, CREATE IT.
  Let me make it clearer by prefacing current events: if the people of Iran do not oust the Mullahs then the people of Iran will suffer when the actions of these Mullahs threaten other nations and those nations defend themselves.

  The nation is responsible for its leadership. If the majority trully wanted change – they would take it. Democracy has never come from peaceful protest – on the contrary, to oust violent dictators, violence (or at least PRO-ACTIVE ACTION) is always required.

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  It does not matter what you call a country. The issue is that a group of people came from hundreds and thousands of miles away, terrorized the inhabitants of the land (who lived in the land for generations), forced most of them to flee, took their homes and farms, suffocating the rest who stayed (in Judea and Samaria) so that they either die or leave…
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  Elaborate? To whom do you refer?
  And how do you explain Israel’s demographics? If the Jews didn’t want Arabs in their country, why is it the only nation in the MidEast where Arabs have free healthcare, free education and the right to vote and run for office? Why is it that 25% of passport carrying Israelis are ARABS?!

  The fact of the matter is that there was no concentrated effort of expulsion. No evidence of this has ever been presented. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Arabs left on their own, for they believed the Jews would do to them as they would have done to the Jews. Of course, these fears were unfounded…

  How do we know? We know because there are 1,000,000 living, breathing souls that are living, breathing proof – they are the descendants of the Arabs that chose to stay in Israel – they are the Israeli Arabs.

  On a side-note: Over 1 million Jews WERE FORCIBLY OUSTED from newly created Arab lands. This number is greater than the number of Arabs who supposedly fled Israel during the 48 and 67 wars (which were instigated by Arabs!). How come we never hear of them?

  The answer is simple – they were shortly refugees but then Israel took them in and made them citizens as is common-fare w/ refugees. The so-called “Palestinians” are the only peoples I know of who inherit refugee status (which incidently, is contrary to the defacto and legal definition of refugee…)

• 14 wingless // Aug 24, 2009 at 3:03 am

  God knows best. To put simply, if the Ottomans (Muslims) had not saved you when the spaniard Christians were trying to wipe you out to revenge their lord and saviour, your population would be far less.
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  The Spanish inquisition had nothing to do with the Roman crucifixtion of Jesus.
  The Ottomans took in Jews but they forced them to move via Surgun, forbid them from bearing arms (while Muslims were allow to) and forced upon them the Jizya.

  The Jizya was levied so that the Jews would feel subdued (from the Koran verse). The Hadith also tell us that the way the Jizya was collected was meant to humilate the Jews.

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  If the rulers of Jerusalem in history had treated you as Israel is treating the Palestinians your numbers again would be far less and the Muslims ruled the region for a thousand years,
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  Jews numbers are tiny. Not even in the top 10 of world religions. WHAT’S YOUR POINT?!

  Furthermore, Muslim & Christian rulers of Jeruslam were by no means kind to the Jews. I don’t understand your point…

  As for today, Jerusalem was recaptured from Jordan in a war it instigated and Israel was carved and ceeded to the Jews by a world body (NOT JEWS!).

  As for your claim that Israel mistreats Palestinians and that this somehow affects population I have to scratch my head – the so-called “Palestinian” population has NEVER EVER BEEN IN DECLINE. ACTUALLY DESPITE CALL OF GENCIDE, PALIS HAVE A GROWTH RATE THAT IS AMONG THE HIGHEST ON THIS PLANET!!!
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  look at Israel’s hospitality and the sufferring they have caused in just 50 years.
  If a single child is killed, whether Muslim, Christian Jew or other for any cause, that cause is unwarranted and evil.
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  So if I point a gun at your family and start killing you person by person but I have a child in front of me, you would just watch as I erased your legacy and loved ones?!

  Get real. Spare me the holier than art thou sermon. You would do as anyone would, shoot me and the child. You’d be 100% justified, that is: morally, ethically, religiously, and legally.

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  A child to his or her parents is worth more than the universe itself. The true Jews have had their religion hijacked just as the fundamentalists have hijacked Islam.
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  Israel is a secular democracy? What fundamentalists?
  Israel is founded on less than 25% of “Palestine”, while the Arabs control 80% of Ottoman Province “Palestine” and 99.9% of the MidEast… What are you rabbling about?!

• 15 wingless // Aug 24, 2009 at 3:06 am

  Ottoman, you are taking bits and pieces of history and then mixing up with religion. This conflict has nothing to do with religion (at least on the Jewish side).

  Zionism is a secular movement. The early Zionists were anti-religious Marxists. Most Israelis support Israel from a secular humanist POV, not a religious one!

  Israel is ANYTHING but a theocracy, it’s a modern, secular democracy.

• 16 kevin // Aug 26, 2009 at 2:44 am

  • The present rulers are not our leaders. These are dictators supported by the CIA, the Mossad and American Aid. Mubarak, the Jordan King, the Tunisian ruler… Arafat (who rescued Arafat when his plane was lost in the Libyan desert?), Abbas…are all in power because of American aid that pays the secret service to put the democracy seekers in prisons. Those dictators are worse enemies to their people than Israel.
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  Yes they are. But spare me the conspiracy theories. The CIA, Mossad and the tooth fairy have NOTHING TO DO with keeping them in power.

  • What do you think the US aid to Egypt and Jordan is for? Democracy in the ME countries must be crushed for Israel survival. When the southern Iraq’s rose against Sadam at the instigation and promised support of Bush the father, they were let to be slaughtered by Sadam. The US even allowed Sadam’s plains to fly to crush them.
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  It does not matter what you call a country. The issue is that a group of people came from hundreds and thousands of miles away, terrorized the inhabitants of the land (who lived in the land for generations), forced most of them to flee, took their homes and farms, suffocating the rest who stayed (in Judea and Samaria) so that they either die or leave…
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  Elaborate? To whom do you refer?
  I refer to the million of people who came from Europe and the Eastern block in search of a better life after Europe was devastated after WW2.
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  And how do you explain Israel’s demographics?

  The Zionist could not expel every Pal.
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  If the Jews didn’t want Arabs in their country, why is it the only nation in the MidEast where Arabs have free healthcare, free education and the right to vote and run for office? Why is it that 25% of passport carrying Israelis are ARABS?!

  Otherwise, how can the Zionist call themselves “the only democracy in the ME”? Despite the fact that the PALs who are in Israel, lived there and their immediate ancestors for generations, you still hear calls for “population transfer”, etc.
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  The fact of the matter is that there was no concentrated effort of expulsion. No evidence of this has ever been presented. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Arabs left on their own, for they believed the Jews would do to them as they would have done to the Jews. Of course, these fears were unfounded…
  LIES, but even if they left on their own, why they are not allowed back?
  How do we know? We know because there are 1,000,000 living, breathing souls that are living, breathing proof – they are the descendants of the Arabs that chose to stay in Israel – they are the Israeli Arabs.
  The reason they stayed is that it is not possible to empty a country from its inhabitants no matter what scare tactics you use. If the Zionist drops an atomic bomb on the Arab area in Palestine, you would still have more than the current Arab population living in Israel. The Zionist used a scare tactics that is worst in its effect than an atomic bomb.
  On a side-note: Over 1 million Jews WERE FORCIBLY OUSTED from newly created Arab lands.
  The Jews were actually not allowed to leave Arab countries 9with the exception of Egypt). The situation was like that of Eastern Europe, where immense pressure was to let the Jews immigrate to Israel. To this day, the Morrocan welcome the Jews back. How the Zionist engineered the mass immigration of Iraqi Jews to Israel is well documented.
  This number is greater than the number of Arabs who supposedly fled Israel during the 48 and 67 wars (which were instigated by Arabs!). How come we never hear of them?
  The answer is simple – they were shortly refugees but then Israel took them in and made them citizens as is common-fare w/ refugees. The so-called “Palestinians” are the only peoples I know of who inherit refugee status (which incidently, is contrary to the defacto and legal definition of refugee…)
  Regardless of the status, their homes, their parents homes, their grand parents homes, were taken from them by force. They want their homes back.

• 17 yussif abdulai // Sep 28, 2009 at 8:56 pm

  Dear muslims brothers
  i am happy to write you this letter?how are you and your company workers i hope by the grace of Allah you are fine.please brothers i have a problem and i want you to solve some for me.please i have build a school and i want you send me some of your quran and some books of Allah and and books of prophet for me to give it to the children please here is my school address

  NAJAHIYA ISLAMIC SCHOOL
  YUSSIF ABDULLAH SAEED
  P.O.BOXFN69,KUMASI
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• 18 Fivish // Nov 4, 2009 at 11:11 am

  Of course the Koran validates the rights of the Jews to their homeland. But like everything in the Koran it is duplicitous. The religion of peace is also the religion of war and violence!
  Notice the the ‘prophet’ Mohamed made not one prophesy!, and Jesus ‘the prophet’ made only one prophesy and the opposite came true!
  However, the Jewish prophets had prophesies which either came true or have not happened yet.

• 19 harut // Nov 18, 2009 at 8:20 pm

  fivish. firstly clearly you have no clue what islam is.
  my friend for you to claim that Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) did not make any prophecy is absolutely ridiculous, prophet Mohammed warned us about many things to come. just read the quran and hadith or read his sirah and educate yourself before u make a blind guess into matter you have no clue about.

  the Quran and hadiths did not only prophecies, but also informed us of many sciences that were not available at the time of the prophet in any society!
  many of which that cannot be discovered and were not discovered until our time.

  now abit more to this article. i suggest that the author reads the whole Quran, or at least finish the surah before he starts discussing such matters.
  i can give you a new topic to talk about author.
  Allah said in one verse “O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I preferred you to (all) creatures. (47)”
  Yes Allah favored the people of Israel, now who are the people of israel?? prophet israel in islam is prophet jacob, and the children of israel are those that come from prophet Jacob (pbuh), who was in Palestine, until his son prophet Joseph (pbuh) was given a high status in egypt, so his children spread through that region, and after many prophets, prophet Moses (pbuh) was sent.
  yes they were gods favored people as they were the only Allah(God) worshipers of their time. yet if you carry on reading the Quran, you would understand that many of them were blasphemers, and they started worshiping creatures other than god, which led to them being banished from their promised land, and were told that they should never have ruler ship over that holy land, and are only allowed as normal citizens in it. this is something (original) semetic Jews believe in, which is why they are always protesting against israel.
  On the other hand, current day Israel, abuses that name to suggest that its a holy government, while they are very far from that.

  so lets flick through history quickly, and check the origin of current day Israelis. they happen to be white European Jews and not semetic jews. called Ashkenazi, who have no blood linage to the holy land, its been told that they come from a white populace that was living in caucasus mountains that converted to Judaism then latter spread through Europe.

  Now these of course are the white looking jews, on the other hand u got the semetic jews, who are the original jews, very middle eastern looking, who happen to be as second class citizens in israel as i was told.

  now lets look at Palestine pre-1948. Palestine before the jewish immigration period, was of course “an Arab nation” that was inhabited by arabs.

  and of course i am expecting to get some naive comment such as “No it was a deserted land, only few Bedouins lived their”. for people with such belief i suggest, u read quotes from Jewish Zionists that scouted Palestine pre-1948 imigration, as well as quotes from jewish rabbis about Arab residents.i also suggest that u explain to me how, within 50 years , millions of people labeled Palestinians managed to have a completely different culture and accents to their surrounding Arab countries. and please explain to me, why would the ottoman and pre- islamic empires leave such fertile land uninhabited. this is a propaganda targeted to uneducated westerners and Israelis, as clearly anyone educated would know, that the roman empire ruled a nation in that region i.e Jesus was born in Palestine, then the roman empire was replaced by other powers till the ottoman empire, then after ww1, the fall of the ottoman empire meant the holy land would fall to the hands of the non semetic people who have absolutely no relation to the holy lands, the British.

  back to my main point, pre 1948, the Zionist groups started commencing minor immigrations, till the prosecution of the Ashkanazis in Europe by the Nazis, which lead to these 0% semetic Ashkenazis to immigrate to Palestine, and claim theirs as their holy land.

  now this ponders me, since when was a country given to a people according to religion and not land ownership and nativity.

  the people that lived in Palestine, pre-1948 were:
  -semetic jews who decided to stay with their religion during the ottoman rule
  -semetic followers of Jesus, either of Jewish origin or Pagan
  -semetic Muslim, either of Jewish/followers of Jesus, Pagan, Ghassanids Arabs (christian Arab emigrated in 3rd century from Yemen ) or Arabs from the Arabian peninsula.
  all of which happen to be the true owners of the land.

  so back to the article, Allah was not referring to ashkenazis as even in Judaism, a Jew has to be Semetic in blood, which is due to the fact that Moses(pbuh) and messengers sent to the people of Israel,were only sent to that populace, unless God told them otherwise. hence why Judaism is unique to a people. Allah was referring to the semetic jews at the time of Moses (pbuh) you will have to read transliteration from ibn kathir etc before you jump into conclusions

  peace, shalom, salam

• 20 anonymous // Nov 27, 2009 at 12:19 am

  ‘I wanted to share a verse I found in the Quran which has bearing on modern day Israel. The message communicated in this verse is opposite to viewpoints presented by most Islamists. The ”interpretation-card” cannot be played in this case for this verse is unusual in its simplicity & clarity. This makes it all the more astonishing as it implies an ignorance or purposeful revision by the devout; (i.e.: there is no misinterpretation here).’

  Who says the ‘Holy Land’ the Quran is referring to the land ‘Israel’? Where in the Quran is your evidence for this? That is wishful thinking on the part of people like you. The Quran makes no such argument. It is a assumption and a grave assumption at that on the part of people like you in assuming that this land ‘Holy land’ the Quran makes reference to is ‘Israel’. The Quran categorically makes no such argument. The term ‘Israel’ in the Quran is in address to the tribe of ‘Israel’ i.e it is addressing a particular group of people at a particular point in time. God is not addressing the physical/geographical land/ground they are walking/ treading upon. What would be the sense in doing that? There is no reason to command people to go to a land they already inhibiting it can only therefore refer to a land they (‘they’ as in the people who are being addressed) are not inhibiting.

  ‘The more you go back to the original sources’

  In this case the original source is in Arabic.

• 21 anonymous // Nov 27, 2009 at 12:25 am

  *Who says the ‘Holy Land’ the Quran is referring to is the land ‘Israel’?

• 22 anonymous // Nov 27, 2009 at 2:14 am

  ”And who are these Russians and Europeans genius? Did the just magically appear in Russia? You are talking about the same Jews of Moses – blood relatives!

  Every Empire that inhabited Israel throughout time spoke of the Jewish homeland, of a Jewish land, Jewish majority, architecture, culture, currency etc.. Were they ALL lying?

  Most of these empires also persecuted and exiled these Jews, hence the Jewish communities in both Arab (Sephardic) & European (Ashkenazi) areas. These are but exiles and the descendants of exiles.”

  As far as your origions go take a good look at this piece it should put you in your place i.e the correct place. You people aka present day ‘israelis’ must be pretty desperate with this double identity of theres. The fantasy wannabe idenetity and the Reality. It is common knowledge amongst not just the Muslims but also the Christians that the present day inhibitants of Israel are not descended from the biblical people reffered to in the Bible and the Quran.

• 23 anonymous // Nov 27, 2009 at 2:15 am

  ”And who are these Russians and Europeans genius? Did the just magically appear in Russia? You are talking about the same Jews of Moses – blood relatives!

  Every Empire that inhabited Israel throughout time spoke of the Jewish homeland, of a Jewish land, Jewish majority, architecture, culture, currency etc.. Were they ALL lying?

  Most of these empires also persecuted and exiled these Jews, hence the Jewish communities in both Arab (Sephardic) & European (Ashkenazi) areas. These are but exiles and the descendants of exiles.”

  As far as your origions go take a good look at this piece it should put you in your place i.e the correct place.

  http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/hittites.htm

  You people aka present day ‘israelis’ must be pretty desperate with this double identity of theres. The fantasy wannabe idenetity and the Reality. It is common knowledge amongst not just the Muslims but also the Christians that the present day inhibitants of Israel are not descended from the biblical people reffered to in the Bible and the Quran.

• 24 kevin // Nov 27, 2009 at 3:04 am

  I have a home on the east coast of the Mediterranean north of Israel. The area where my house is part of the land G_d gave to Israel according to the Bible. In 1982, A Russian Jew came to me, terrorized me, wants me to leave my home, my kitchen, bedroom, and living room so that he lives in my home. This time I did not flee as my father did flee from Saffouria near Tsafad in the north of Israel.

  This Russian Jew, no matter what book or what G_d he believes in, is evil. This is the story of Israel.

  This Russian Jew is brainwashed to believe that because he keeps the Shabath (in fact he doesn’t as he is secular) his blood line go b ack to Moses.
  Consider the fact that half the Jewish marriages in the US are intermarriage, even if the rate of intermarriage is 2% over time, how much of Ibraham blood you have in you Winglass? You do the math, assume 100 generation over 3000 years. Let me help you, 0.98×0.98×0.98×0.98…30 times= 0, that is how much Ibraham blood you have in yuou Russion Jew. NOt counting conversion in and out of Judaism.

• 25 kevin // Nov 27, 2009 at 3:13 am

  We have to get those Islamofaschists out of this great country of ours. Their numebr is increasing and their voting power constitutes a threat to Israel’s security in the future. For the sake of political correctness the ‘leaders’ of the country are hesitant to take action. Write to your congressman to support an operation similar to that of Northwoods but directed against those Islamofascishists in this country.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

• 26 harut // Nov 29, 2009 at 5:28 pm

  wingless
  plz take me through the journey of jewish exile, and not just make random statements, if u cant i can, nowere in the history if jewish exile, you will be able to conlude that ashkenazi, russian jews, or any other non-semetic jewish group are the originals.
  jews were first conqured by the assyrians then soon later by the babylonians.
  when jews were exiled by babylonians, those were the pure jews reisidng in the area called nowadays “palestine”. the babylonians enslaved and took them to their own land in babylon, till their fall, resulting in the return of original jews to their land with the persians in rule, followed by the byzantine rule (at the time of jesus).
  if the Jews immigrated at BC then who were the byzantians persians governing? who was Jesus sent to? a deserted land?
  the Jews that did manage to immigrate on the other hand, surely have no right to claim that a land is theirs 2 millenniums later, while banishing the originals that remianed who are current day arab christains/muslims, or semetic jews.
  if you compare the features of surrounding locals, such as lebanese, jordanians egyptians etc, surely they look nothing like these current day immigrant jews called (israelis), on the other hand, you do find semetic looking jews with whom happen to be Anti-zoinists, or otherwise ifluenced by zoinisim and gave in to their greed of land ownership.

  i just dont understand , why some1 can find it reasonable to banish the arabs living in palestine, and give it to another faction that claim they used to reside their 2 milleniums ago. even though the arabs also were residing in palestine since byzanian time called “Ghassanids”, as well as the fact that many of the original residants of palestine converted to islam, and others adopted arabic at the time of islam 7th century. also at that period many jews that left their land pre-islamic period returned as roman hostility to them was no more, also since under the muslim rule, they were given full rights, till the muslim rule became corrupt around 11th century.

• 27 harut // Nov 29, 2009 at 5:34 pm

  kevin,
  ur second comment kinda contradicts the first, i am hoping you were being sarcastic

  salam, shalom, peace

• 28 YOUNES // Dec 5, 2009 at 4:39 am

  Wingless replies:
  Yes, it says that Judaism and Christianty are ‘of the book’ and thus guided by the same G*d but your claims that the Quran

  instructs to ‘respect’ [non Muslims] is curious – to say the least. Let’s ignore hundreds of years of history & the reality

  of what Islamic nations do to non-Muslims and concentrate JUST on the Koran. The Koran makes it clear that non-Muslims are

  lesser, it mandates invasion & plundering of Dar Al Harab, prescribes a form of persecution & subjecation (Jizya / Dhimmi)

  LIES,LIES,LIES TYPICAL JEW THE KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO TURN THINGS AROUND..
  READING OUT OF THE CONTEXT ,WHERE ,WHEN.TIME THE VERSE WAS REVEALED MAYBE THE WHERE ATTACKING MUSLIMS IN SOME PERIODS ,STOP PLYING THE DIRTY JEW GAMES
  WHAT ABOUT THE BIBLE JEWS KILLED JESUS NOT THE ROMANS
  1 Thessalonians 2:14-15

  14For you, brothers, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own countrymen the same things those churches suffered from the Jews, 15who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to all men
  That fact will never change. They have never repented, and they try to bully into silence anyone who states that fact.

  They try to deflect this awful sin by saying, “Jesus was a Jew.” Yes – he was. And the Jews killed him.
  Paul the Apostle – also a Jew — said, the Jews did not attain to righteousness because they “sought it not by faith,” and instead established their own righteousness and did not submit themselves to the righteousness of God, Romans 8:31-32 & 9:1-4.
  Only the ELECT JEWS will obtain righteousness, Romans 11:7. The APOSTATE REPROBATE JEWS have a vail on their heart when they read the Law of Moses, 2 Corinthians 3:13-15. And they forbad the apostles to speak to the Gentiles about salvation, “to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost,” 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16.

  Jesus’ ministry of three-and-a-half years was to the lost house of Israel. But they would not obey, and they crucified him. When they did so, they screamed, “His blood be on us, and on our children,” Matthew 27:25. God hates Israel and her destruction is coming from God. You rebellious sinful Jews will NOT get a pass because Jesus was a Jew. The Jews killed Jesus!

• 29 YOUNES // Dec 5, 2009 at 4:45 am

  You Broke the Covenant
  It’s not your land to take! God made a covenant with you and you have broken the contract!
  It was a simple agreement:

  God gave the land to the seed of Jacob which he sware unto your fathers, with the promise that IF YOU OBEYED HIM he would continue to bless you in that land. But he ALSO PROMISED that if you disobeyed him he would curse you – and root you out of the land. Deuteronomy 29:28.

  You Broke the Covenant
  It’s not your land to take! God made a covenant with you and you have broken the contract!
  It was a simple agreement:

  God gave the land to the seed of Jacob which he sware unto your fathers, with the promise that IF YOU OBEYED HIM he would continue to bless you in that land. But he ALSO PROMISED that if you disobeyed him he would curse you – and root you out of the land. Deuteronomy 29:28.

  redsea

  When God told the children of Jacob to pass over Jordan and go in to possess the land and dwell therein, he said “ye shall observe to do all the statutes and judgments which I set before you this day, Deuteronomy 11:31-32. Dr. John Gill remarks that the law was so frequently and often repeated to the Jews because on the observance of the law “depended their continuance in the land of Canaan.”

  And God told you that if you did not obey his commandments, he would “scatter you among the heathen,” and leave your land desolate and your cities waste, Leviticus 26:33.

  You haven’t kept your part of the bargain you brutish men of Israel! You don’t obey God. You have forsaken his law; you have rejected the good statutes he gave you; you are proud sinners before God. You killed the Lord Jesus Christ! You have never confessed that sin, or repented for it.
  You think you can substitute badgering, belittling, besieging and bullying for obedience. But you breached the contract. God is not going to change his mind. You will not remain in possession of the land. You can talk until the end of time about all the technical legalistic reasons you claim you’re entitled to that land. Blah, blah, blah. Unless and until you put away your sin and OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD – IT IS NOT YOUR LAND!

  Your contentious rebellious ways will cause this land issue to be your downfall. Obama the Arrogant Antichrist is not backing down, and neither will you. It’s in your headlines every day and it’s all you’re talking about. You will duck, dodge and dissemble about the settlements and the land, until all the nations have enough – and march on Israel. Your annihilation will come because of your false claim to the land. Israel is doomed.

  BiBLE HISTORY OF THE JEWS
  The history of the Jews is a blessedly simple story.

  God brought Abraham out of Ur of the Chaldees, and promised him that Sarah his wife would bear a son saying, “And thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.” (Genesis 17:19.) And while God also told Abraham he would make his son Ishmael – by a handmaid – a great nation, his covenant was established with Isaac and Jacob. (Genesis 17:20-21.)

  And, “this word of promise came to Abraham and Sarah concerning Isaac, and Isaac and Rebecca concerning Jacob. God loved Jacob and hated Esau. (Romans 9:6-13.)

  God told Abraham his seed would be in bondage in Egypt for 400 years, and then delivered and given the Promised Land. Jacob’s sons – the patriarchs of the children of Israel – sold their brother Joseph into bondage, because they hated his words. Joseph became second in the Egyptian kingdom, and when Jacob and his sons needed food, they ended up in Egypt. That led to 400 years of bondage
  God saw the afflictions of his people and heard their cries, and with great signs and miracles in the sight of Pharoah, delivered his people from bondage bringing them through the Red Sea, and destroying one of the most powerful armies ever to exist.

  Then God led them through the wilderness, with a pillar of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night. He fed them with manna and met every need they had. He blessed them with his right judgments, true laws, and good statutes and commandments (Nehemiah 9:13-15).

  The Jews had SO MUCH to be thankful for – for ever! But instead the apostate Jews “dealt proudly, and hardened their necks, and hearkened not to [God’s] commandments, and refused to obey, neither were mindful of [God’s] wonders that [he] didst among them; but hardened their necks,” Nehemiah 9:16-17. Time and again God was merciful, sending prophets to tell the Jews to obey; and time and again they refused.

  After killing off the entire generation of cowardly rebels who cried all night in their tents over the THOUGHT of conquering the land which he sware unto their fathers (see Numbers 13 and 14), God gave the children of Israel a great deliverance over kings Sihon and Og in the Brooks of Arnon, doubling the size of the land they received and striking fear in the hearts of the other nations, Numbers 21; Joshua 2. Then God gave the land he’d promised to the children of Israel, and told them from Mt. Gerizim how he would bless them AND LET THEM KEEP THIS LAND if they obeyed him, and on Mt. Ebal how he would curse them AND TAKE THE LAND if they disobeyed him (see Deuteronomy 11 and 27).

  With time, God divided the kingdom of Israel after kings David and Solomon. With few exceptions the kings of Israel and Judah were evil, striving to outdo each other in their idolatry and blood shed. The ten northern tribes, under evil king Jeraboam, established a false religious system with golden calves. The doom of Israel was thereby set and sealed. Jews killed Jews by the thousands, and ten thousands. The Jews forsook God and went whoring after all the strange gods and strange flesh, killing the prophets God kindly sent them to remind them to obey.

  Finally, Israel and Judah were cut off and taken into captivity. On a few occasions the ultimate restoration of the obedient righteous Jews was adumbrated, such as with good King Hezekiah and Ezra and Nehemiah when the temple was restored at the end of the Babylonian captivity.

  After the inter testamental period – during which Antiochus Epiphanies (the great type of the Antichrist Beast Obama) severely persecuted the Jews and destroyed the temple – Christ came to this earth. He ministered to the Jews. The Jews killed the Lord Jesus. Then the apostles ministered to the Jews. They persecuted them. Acts 7 describes the apostle Stephen telling them this same history – then they gnashed on him with their teeth and stoned him to death.

  The Apostle Paul was converted, and taught by Christ that it was time for blindness to come to Israel while God called out a people for his name from among the Gentiles. “It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles,” Acts 13:46.

  God left you dark hearted rebellious Jews in such a condition that you are incapable of seeing or understanding the truth. When you pretend to read Moses you have a veil on your heart. You are a sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers; you have forsaken the Lord, provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, and gone away backward. The more you are stricken of God, the more you revolt; your whole head is sick and your heart faint. In other words, you are a bunch of cursed, perverted cowards without cure! (See Isaiah 1:2-6.)

  God promised that because they rejected Christ the Cornerstone – and the Jews would be a hissing, proverb, byword and reproach among the nations. For the centuries since they killed the Lord Jesus, the temple was destroyed by Titus; and the Jews have been expelled from many nations; massacred; put in ghettos; outlawed; and stripped of their worldly goods time and again. GOD DID THAT BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT OBEY.

• 30 znajomosc internetowa // Jan 8, 2010 at 1:33 am

  Yes, finally, Israel and Judah were cut off and taken into captivity.

• 31 Ali // Jan 10, 2010 at 1:26 pm

  And how many Muslims know that THIS is stated in the Koran??? Sura 17:104

  The Jews’ return from 19 centuries of exile is actually the fulfillment of Islamic prophecy!

  Sura 17:104 says that ‘And we said to the Children of Israel afterwards, “Go live into this land. When the final prophecy comes to pass, we will summon you all in one group.”‘

  The Answer is: Hate has no limits.. or rational.

  IF the Koran is the TRUTH, then the truth will prevail. And the Jews have returned to their land.

  Praise the Lord.

• 32 Fellow Human // Feb 21, 2010 at 10:10 am

  Man has killed fellow man since the dawn of time. It makes us feel more powerful when we unite in groups and oppress each other and we have been separating each other and putting each other on different levels since the dawn of time. There is no point trying to prove which people is most oppressed and trying to “prove” that a different religion makes no sense. Despite all the theories on why the Koran doesn’t make any sense or why the bible contradicts itself you have really not shaken anyone’s belief. Islam remains a rapidly increasing religion and Christianity is still a huge religion. Do you really think that if a Muslim read this his belief would really be shook by what you said or if a Palestinian who has seen all the deaths in Gaza is going to side with Israel ? I’ll answer that question for you: No matter what you say they have their equal opposition of your argument. This goes both ways : Jews have a long history of being oppressed and the dream of their own state will not be changed by anything another person says its fair for them to finally have their own state.

  I want to make my point very clear: Spreading hate is useless and we are all fellow humans. Everyone has there side of the story that’s been told to them since they were a child and have re enforced from their own experience seeing only what they want to see so as to cling on to the stereotypical belief. The real victims here are not a particular religion ,race or any group but the average people who really do not care much for country wars or religious battles. If ever they do it is because of what they have seen of a different race or religion that causes this hatred. Humanity is a victim of the devil , Satan, Shaytan or whatever you wish to call the whispering in our minds that causes us to do evil. All three religions have morality , righteousness and God at their core. don’t blame the religion – people see thing they why they want to see it and there’s always going to be different sides to the story. As a race we have to learn to forgive the past. Ignore what people have influenced on a religion but what the message god is giving in all of them.

  ” Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged! and
  Let He Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone ”
  Matthew 7:1,

  for all three religions teach that:

  “God is our Lord, God is One. (Deuteronomy, 6:4)”

  For our life is but a test

  He it is who created death and life so He may try you as to which of you is best in deeds.” [Sûrah al-Mulk: 2]

  See past the differences and look at the similarities.

  God knows best.

• 33 benhamdane // May 24, 2010 at 12:33 pm

  chicos hay que informarse bein antes de hablar hay que lier toda la sura para entender 5:24. Dijeron: “Moisés! No entraremos nunca en ella mientras ellos estén dentro. Ve, pues, tú con tu Señor, y combatid, que nosotros nos quedamos aquí!”. 25. Dijo: “Señor! Yo no puedo más que conmigo y con mi hermano. Haz distinción, pues, entre nosotros y este pueblo perverso”
  25. Dijo: “Señor! Yo no puedo más que conmigo y con mi hermano. Haz distinción, pues, entre nosotros y este pueblo perverso”. 26. Dijo: “Les estará prohibida durante cuarenta años, tiempo en el que vagarán por la tierra. No te preocupes por este pueblo perverso!”

• 34 wingless // May 28, 2010 at 6:57 am

  Kevin, not even the Israeli-Arabs make the claims you are making… I’ve asked you to give me some evidence of expulsions, an expulsion of an entire people does not go unnoticed.

  Your explanations that Israel “gave some full citizenship rights” while “Expelling the rest” is proposterous. As racist nation does not accept a hostile population into its democracy. These ARabs serve in Knesset, they treat Jews as doctors, they sit on the Supreme Court, they are no different than Jewish Israelis… They are the proof that the Palestinian nakba is a falacy (everyone knows that a Jews will NEVER sit on the PA, and a Jew will NEVER VOTE OR BE GIVEN CITIZENSHIP UNDER THE PA). And while the lefties cry out again “Israeli racism” and the absurd “second-class citizenship” argument you ignore the fact that *all* non Muslims (not just Jews) are subjecated and murdered daily in EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBOUR AND ENEMY OF ISRAEL.

  btw:Most Arabs in the region will tell you that they left without seeing any guns… This is no secret… It’s unfortunate that the new left is sometimes more “Palestinian than the Palestinians themselves”…

  Everyone else, respond point by point. If you say I said something, COPY/PASTE IT… Half the ‘responses’ I’ve seen are THE MAD RANTS OF QURAN MEMORIZERS WITH BAD MEMORIES… Think about that…

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